Talk:Unani medicine

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Foreign language dicdef. SWAdair | Talk 07:34, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

  • Delete. Concur with above. jni 07:46, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • merge and redirect to Greece. "Other names for greece" Kim Bruning 09:52, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. Unani (in Hindustani, Urdu etc) refers to a form of medicine (like Allopathy or Ayurveda), as also to anything related to Greece. The article may be expanded by somebody. utcursch 11:46, Oct 6, 2004 (UTC)
  • Keep. It's substub now, but a genuine article about Unani could appear here -- GWO 14:11, 6 Oct 2004 (UTC)

end moved discussion

Correct name[edit]

I thought that this form of medicine was called Unani Tibb; if I am wrong, what does Unani Tibb mean? If I am not wrong, the title of the article needs to be changed accordingly. 149.171.241.237 (talk) 10:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

wiki always uses the most commonly used name, which is usually the simplest, like this, which is about 100 times more common or more :) Sticky Parkin 14:12, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

"Tibb" is the Arabic word for "Medicine." For example, in the Hadith Shareef of the Holy Prophet (peace be upon him) there is a chapter called "Tibb an Nabawi" - "Medicine of the Prophet." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.210.106.125 (talk) 10:33, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Tibb-e-Unani is the proper name in between the period of Golden age when Muslim scholars developed the science of Medicine. Muslim Scholar Abu Nasr Farabi is regarded second master in Hikmat (including science of Medicine i.e. Tibb) after Aristotle being the first master in Hikmat. Nannadeem (talk) 09:41, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

tibb yunani just means "Greek medicine" in Arabic. But this article is supposed to be about the Indian (South Asian) tradition under Mughal rule -- the article on the reception of Greek medicine in medieval Islam is at Medicine in the medieval Islamic world.

It is unclear (to me) why the term is transcribed as unani, when in Arabic, Persian, Urdu and Hindi it is always yunani (why is the initial y not transcribed if it is present in all relevant languages?) --dab (𒁳) 13:18, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Tib unani means the way of treatment with herbs described and initiated by unan (greak) Msuhail348 (talk) 11:01, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

unani[edit]

what is motto of unani — Preceding unsigned comment added by Purvenbhavsar (talkcontribs) 10:52, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

If there is no motto mentioned in the article, it may be because there is no universal motto. Ian.thomson (talk) 13:37, 24 March 2016 (UTC)

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Page move[edit]

I have moved the page from "Yunani medicine" to "Unani medicine" as it is clearly more used in contemporary as well as scholarly sources. This can be seen from the Google results for the two terms: "Yunani medicine" (12,900 results) [where Google even asks Did you mean: "Unani medicine"]

"Unani medicine" (1,020,000 results)

It is evident by this that "unani" is clearly the much more used term. Even medical dictionaries such as Segen's and Mosby's list it as Unani: https://medical-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Unani

It might be even better to move the page to simply "unani" as the term is used. Gotitbro (talk) 00:04, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Further reading[edit]

Archiving here. Not used in article, WP:ELNO. --Zefr (talk) 17:05, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

  • Standardisation of single drugs of Unani medicine. Central Council for Research in Unani Medicine (India), Ministry of Health and Family Welfare, Govt. of India, 1987.
  • Unani: the science of Graeco-Arabic medicine, by Jamil Ahmad, Hakim Ashhar Qadeer. Lustre Press, 1998. ISBN 81-7436-052-2.
  • The Unani Pharmacopoeia of India, Dept. of Indian Systems of Medicine & Homoeopathy. Pub. Govt. of India, Ministry of Health & Family Welfare, Dept. of Indian Systems of Medicine & Homoeopathy, 1999.
  • Physicochemical standards of Unani formulations, Pub. Central Council for Research in Unani Medicine, Ministry of Health & Family Welfare, Govt. of India, 2006.
  • Hakim Syed Zillur Rahman (1986), Qānūn-i ibn-i Sīnā aur us ke shārḥīn va mutarajimīn, ʻAlīgaṛh: Pablīkeshan Dīvīzan, Muslim Yūnīvarsiṭī
  • Refiguring unani tibb: plural healing in late colonial India, by Guy N. A. Attewell. Orient Longman, 2007. ISBN 81-250-3017-4.
  • Hand book on unani medicines with formulae, processes, uses and analysis. National Institute Of Industrial Research, 2008. ISBN 81-7833-042-3.
  • Chishti, Hakim (1990). The traditional healer's handbook: a classic guide to the medicine of Avicenna. Inner Traditions / Bear & Company. ISBN 0-89281-438-1.
  • Kapoor, Subodh (2002). The Indian encyclopaedia. Archery-Banog, Volume 2. Genesis Publishing. ISBN 81-7755-257-0.
  • Bala, Poonam (2007). Medicine and medical policies in India: social and historical perspectives. Lexington Books. ISBN 0-7391-1322-4.
  • 10 Unani medicine books online at Traditional Knowledge Digital Library (Govt. of India)
  • Hakim Syed Zillur Rahman (1995), Dillī aur t̤ibb-i Yūnānī (Dillī aur t̤ibb-i Yūnānī ed.), Naʾī Dihlī: Urdū Akādmī, Dihlī
  • Hakim Syed Zillur Rahman (1962), Daur-e Jadeed aur Tib, Bhopal, India: Tibbi Academy, India
  • Hakim Syed Zillur Rahman (1983), Ṣafvī ʻahd men̲ ʻilm-i tashrīḥ kā mut̤ālaʻah, ʻAlīgaṛh: T̤ibbī Akādmī
  • Konstantinos Archontakis (2015), Unani Medicine still the active form of Ancient Greek Medicine, ʻAthens: ELINEPA

Citing Supreme court order[edit]

The article is vandalised by quoting a judgement made by the Supreme court of India against fake practitioners existing in India. The SC verdict was on a different topic and here somebody misuses the same for their ulterior motives and to tarnish AYUSH systems. I propose to delete the edition quoting SC verdit against AYUSH systems because it is unethical to do so. The news regarding the SC verdict clearly defines this and the original court order is also available. Please revert the edition: The Supreme Court of India and Indian Medical Association regard unqualified practitioners of Unani, Ayurveda and Siddha medicine as quackery. to Indian Medical Association regard unqualified practitioners of Unani, Ayurveda and Siddha medicine as quackery. Because here, Indian medical association only seems to have the same opinion. Further, as far as Govt. of India is concerned, the opinion of government is to Integrate Ayush in health services as a priority in India. Mohanabhil (talk) 15:00, 9 February 2020 (UTC)

Please note that vandalism has a very specific meaning on Wikipedia which is not at all what you're claiming (WP:VANDAL for more information). Without providing a reliable source that says so, editor arguments also have little value. As for the state of the art as pseudoscience, no government statement could change that anyway... If government and medical associations are in conflict, it would be possible to mention that too, provided a reliable source discusses that per WP:RS. —PaleoNeonate – 08:52, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Unani medicine and pseudoscience[edit]

@Crossroads: the intro-sentence currently reads, "Unani medicine is pseudoscientific."[1] However per WP:PSCI + WP:FRINGE/PS, "conversely, by its very nature, scientific consensus is the majority viewpoint of scientists towards a topic." However the citation that was used for this statement in Wikipedia is not scientific in basis - it's anthropological and based on the study of religion. Perhaps we need some new citations to support this claim if it will live in the intro? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jooojay (talkcontribs)

References

  1. ^ Quack, Johannes (2012). Disenchanting India: Organized Rationalism and Criticism of Religion in India. Oxford University Press. pp. 3, 213. ISBN 0199812608.
It's published by a relevant expert in a book by a university press. And anthropology is one of the sciences. The book is a reliable source that unani medicine is pseudoscience; that is, the book is a reliable source for reporting that the scientific community has rejected it. Which is to be expected, given it is based on the four humors theory which has been discredited for centuries. Crossroads -talk- 04:59, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
@Crossroads: Anthropology is a social science, and that's not what is referenced in WP:PSCI. Do you have other citations to support this? Jooojay (talk) 05:56, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
When practiced today it's alternative medicine, not mainstream medicine. It relies on flawed and outdated tenets and does not conform to the scientific method, meaning it's pseudoscientific. There are plenty of critical sources about altmed and by extension Ayurveda, Siddha, Unani, Homeopathy, Naturopathy, Acupuncture, Acupressure, etc. There also are many on the history of medicine as well as outdated beliefs like humors. Unani to all those is a single logical inference step. As for anthropology, it's a little complex, it's the study of the human, including archaeology and biology and other subfields. Ethnology in this case is indeed more social with some branches called social anthropology, it specializes on cultures and their comparison. Nonetheless, this is a proper source published via a proper venue and by someone who's qualified to study cultures. Attributing it as the claim of one person would be misleading per WP:YESPOV and WP:GEVAL. —PaleoNeonate – 07:00, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Johannes Quack is specifically a religious ethnologist. If Unani as a pseudoscience is so commonly known, as you both have stated, why is it difficult to find another supporting RS citation? Jooojay (talk) 07:17, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm agreed with PaleoNeonate; nevertheless, another source has been found and added. Crossroads -talk- 20:14, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you, I appreciate the extra source added.Jooojay (talk) 21:01, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps we should look in the other direction, are there sources, (reliable), that suggest that there is any basis in science to validate this alleged system of medicine? -Roxy the inedible dog . wooF 23:20, 10 September 2020 (UTC)
Good point, —PaleoNeonate – 02:19, 11 September 2020 (UTC)

A lot of sources treat "unani" as synonymous with Iranian Traditional Medicine. For example, the article "Science and Pseudoscience in Traditional Iranian Medicine" describes unani theory but only mentions it once (the author prefers his terminology of "quackery traditional Iranian medicine"). JoelleJay (talk) 03:09, 11 September 2020 (UTC)