Talk:Maulana Karenga

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I don't know whether this is editing or vandalism, but a new user keeps moving the page to Maulana Karenga. Maulana is a title, not his name. Also, we usually don't call people Dr. to begin with: no titles at the start, just the name. SlimVirgin (talk) 07:45, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)


If some here are going to sprotect this article, at the very least, they should not do it immediately after doing a non-vandal revert. The last edit reverted and sprotected after was a valid edit which, if you assume good faith, requires dialog about on talk, not just revert on a knee-jerk basis. It's this precise type of reverting, that keeps me as an anon. I have no interest in polluting my log-in name arguing with rude editors. And frankly, some sprotect actions here have been very rude! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 6:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

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Requested move 14 February 2018[edit]

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: moved. Appears that the nom has made a good case to rename this article. Objections have been answered well and to resolution. This has been long in coming. Happy Publishing! (closed by page mover)  Paine Ellsworth  put'r there  20:09, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Ron KarengaMaulana Karenga – This is the name that the subject goes by on his web site and the name by which press reports call him.[1][2][3] It was the name of the article before users moved it twice without discussion.[4][5] The move rationale was "Rm Islamic honorifics." "Mawlānā" is indeed an Islamic honorific, and the subject knows full well where it comes from, and he uses it as his name. Users don't go around moving articles about people named "Stuart" based on whether they're guardians of noble houses, nor "Roy" based on whether they're kings. The rationale is invalid. (talk) 04:09, 14 February 2018 (UTC)--Relisting.Ammarpad (talk) 04:52, 21 February 2018 (UTC)--Relisting.  samee  talk 06:01, 1 March 2018 (UTC)

  • It's a bit of an unusual case isn't it. Can the IP cite any other BLPs which have been made exceptions to WP:HON because they've renamed themselves "Master"? In ictu oculi (talk) 08:48, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Oppose There was a years-long debate about a similar situation involving Mahatma Gandhi. I would venture to say that Gandhi is known by as many, if not more people, as Mahatma than as Mohandas. I don't believe the same can be said of Ron Karenga. If you believe I'm wrong, please provide reasonable evidence in support of your argument. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:39, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Response: First, I don't know if the users who moved the article knew it, but Prof. Karenga isn't a Muslim; he's sort-of a Kemetist. So he doesn't use "Maulana" with specific Muslim connotation and this isn't a situation like "Mullah Omar" or "Ayatollah Khomeini." Second, Gandhi never adopted "Mahatma" as his name or ceased to acknowledge his given name. While Prof. Karenga previously used "Maulana" as a title before his given name, he now uses it in place of a name. He's mainly known today as the creator of Kwanzaa and sources referring to him in that context consistently call him Maulana (ibid.) except for the occasional white conservative writing a hit piece. Additionally his employer lists him as "Maulana,"[6] as have peer-reviewed journals that publish his work.[7][8] He isn't doing life in prison like H. Rap Brown, but has been actively writing and speaking under his chosen name, like the late Amiri Baraka (Swahili for "prince"). So I don't see on what basis Wikipedia should have an article under a name he doesn't acknowledge. (talk) 04:29, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Support: I moved the page back to where it is now because I thought this should be discussed first, but "Maulana Karenga" does appear to be how the subject is currently best known and his writings are under this name. Jonathunder (talk) 19:05, 24 February 2018 (UTC)
  • I have asked the other user who previously moved the article to state his reasons and respond to the points that have been raised. (talk) 20:44, 4 March 2018 (UTC)
  • Please note that there is a relevant standard in the Manual of Style that the use of a subject's new name is appropriate when reliable sources written after the name-change tend to use the new name. (talk) 05:41, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

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